tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post965021188009545815..comments2023-09-13T14:00:26.199+02:00Comments on Babble, bullshit, blasphemy and being.: Might is not right.chooseDoubthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14892003265288803666noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-51699711127498485902007-11-07T15:33:00.000+01:002007-11-07T15:33:00.000+01:00Hi BWF,1) Why? Why not believe it on the basis of...Hi BWF,<BR/><BR/>1) Why? Why not believe it on the basis of the fact that it is the truth?<BR/>2) What is your argument for the statement: <I>"If God were known to all then all would choose Him"?</I><BR/>Why didn't you take into acct the fact that all have sinned and none seek after God?<BR/><BR/>3) God doesn't change His eternal plan, which includes saving some people. You'd need an argument Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-30314582471042619112007-11-06T19:50:00.000+01:002007-11-06T19:50:00.000+01:001. Let me make the distinction between God and Chr...1. Let me make the distinction between God and Christian God. Claiming that the CG as you portrayed him is unappealing is not a matter of approval. I can't answer your questions of approval because it is a red herring. One comes to follow a "faith" based on how it appeals to them. If the CG is the "true God" then I inherently accept that which I may not approve of regarding how He exists. B. W. Fullfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03073972290360672401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-43241048693204011162007-11-06T19:25:00.000+01:002007-11-06T19:25:00.000+01:00Hi BWF,The picture of the Christian God portrayed ...Hi BWF,<BR/><BR/><I>The picture of the Christian God portrayed in your reply is not one that is appealing. </I><BR/><BR/>So God doesn't meet with your approval? <BR/>1) Why would that make any difference?<BR/>2) On what basis might you put God in the dock? What standard of judging are you using? I need to know this for comparison and consistency's sake.<BR/><BR/><I>If the CG knows when the "Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-29187766786236455442007-11-06T18:08:00.000+01:002007-11-06T18:08:00.000+01:00Thank you Rhology. The picture of the Christian G...Thank you Rhology. <BR/><BR/>The picture of the Christian God portrayed in your reply is not one that is appealing. <BR/><BR/>1) If the CG knows when the "right time is" then it is plausible to say that the CG may decide not to reveal himself to someone which would damn said person. As God "lifted the Pharoah" so to show God's power, it is reasonable to say that God could deny disclosing B. W. Fullfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03073972290360672401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-42267774389333640242007-11-06T17:52:00.000+01:002007-11-06T17:52:00.000+01:00Hi BWF,Yes, I think CD does an excellent job of av...Hi BWF,<BR/><BR/>Yes, I think CD does an excellent job of avoiding ad hominems. I commend him for that.<BR/>And <A HREF="http://bwfnfl2007mock.blogspot.com/2007/04/my-mock-only-my-opinion.html" REL="nofollow">Adrian Peterson</A> should <A HREF="http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803e06db" REL="nofollow">definitely have gone higher</A> in the draft. ;-)<BR/><BR/>Sorry for yet another linkRhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-8021677024327276472007-11-06T17:38:00.000+01:002007-11-06T17:38:00.000+01:00What a treasure it was to find dialogue on this su...What a treasure it was to find dialogue on this subject that is not personal and actually dealt with the logic behind the "belief".<BR/><BR/>If I missed the disclosure please have patience and reply with the answer. With that I ask a question related to a comment regardin the temporal nature of salvation. If we assume that the Christian God is just in his judgement, how is that we can explain B. W. Fullfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03073972290360672401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-57063698414830747492007-10-30T20:32:00.000+01:002007-10-30T20:32:00.000+01:00Hey Tommy,I've seen your pictureHa ha. Yup, that'...Hey Tommy,<BR/><BR/><I>I've seen your picture</I><BR/><BR/>Ha ha. Yup, that's what any reasonable person would say upon seeing my picture. "Um, he's not scary." :-D<BR/><BR/><I>It is your stated belief that I will burn in hell in the afterlife that does not scare me. </I><BR/><BR/>Oh, well, that's kinda weird, but OK. If someone were threatening me with an all-powerful flamethrower, I'd be a Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-69678091825953041962007-10-30T17:41:00.000+01:002007-10-30T17:41:00.000+01:00I don't mean you personally scare me Rhology (I've...I don't mean you personally scare me Rhology (I've seen your picture). It is your stated belief that I will burn in hell in the afterlife that does not scare me. The appeal to fear is the final arrow in your quiver to try to sway people to choose YOUR PREFERENCE.<BR/><BR/>Where you and I are not that different is that I largely abide by the very same standards of morality that you purport to Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-19096034473166074042007-10-30T16:08:00.000+01:002007-10-30T16:08:00.000+01:00***chuckles***Tommy,It will apparently require you...***chuckles***<BR/><BR/>Tommy,<BR/><BR/><BR/>It will apparently require you to correctly state and then interact with my points to stop any perceived hamster wheel. We're not there yet.<BR/><BR/><I>All you can offer Rhology is that it might be good if there really was some loving omniscient and omnipotent being setting the rules for us</I><BR/><BR/>Since that God would then provide the Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-26876171273372287742007-10-30T03:01:00.000+01:002007-10-30T03:01:00.000+01:00***Pats Tommy on the back***Nice, Tommy. You are s...***Pats Tommy on the back***<BR/><BR/>Nice, Tommy. You are so good with your prose.Harry Nadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001537458540294314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-47525314740946791882007-10-29T19:10:00.000+01:002007-10-29T19:10:00.000+01:00The hamster wheel rolls on an on.All you can offer...The hamster wheel rolls on an on.<BR/><BR/>All you can offer Rhology is that it might be good if there really was some loving omniscient and omnipotent being setting the rules for us and telling us right from wrong and rewarding the good and punishing the bad. But since no such being exists, we flawed humans have to figure it our for ourselves.<BR/><BR/>Like any other species on this planet, theTommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-19946006918191162962007-10-29T14:24:00.000+01:002007-10-29T14:24:00.000+01:00Harry,Yeah, I guess you're right about my mind. A...Harry,<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I guess you're right about my mind. Anyways...<BR/><BR/>I read that post you linked to - thanks for trying again, it worked that time.<BR/>Unfortunately, the post's content did not fare so well. Full o' problems, but honestly, man, if you're on the fence as your blog profile says, don't read the wild-eyed foamers-at-the-mouth over at Self-Debunkers. A guy could do better.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-88690904347702238832007-10-29T09:56:00.000+01:002007-10-29T09:56:00.000+01:00Hi Jeff,Thanks for another long reply. I’ll respon...Hi Jeff,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for another long reply. I’ll respond to all of that later today as I have a busy morning, but I can’t resist commenting on your last paragraph right now.<BR/><BR/>You wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>I fear that much of what I write is, quite frankly, for naught. You note that, "The cost of heaven is too high. No sale. Send me to Hell from where, in between the lick of the flames, I chooseDoubthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14892003265288803666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-66664459716819365912007-10-29T08:57:00.000+01:002007-10-29T08:57:00.000+01:00CD,I have not had the opportunity to sit down at m...CD,<BR/>I have not had the opportunity to sit down at my computer to type a response in a several days. Given the recent flurry of activity between you and Rhology, I will attempt to not repeat or belabor any points -- but will try to respond to a few of your questions to me, as well as few of your other comments. <BR/><BR/>1) Biblical Interpretation: I would be naive if I said there are not Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05761234199393340435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-3746104871064487622007-10-29T06:44:00.000+01:002007-10-29T06:44:00.000+01:00Rhology,As far as my handle goes... I was going to...Rhology,<BR/><BR/>As far as my handle goes... I was going to do Harry Balczak. But I figured I could pawn off Harry Nads as a play on the 'Aussie Nads' hair removal system rather than just being childish humor. But apparently your mind was in the right place, huh? :)Harry Nadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001537458540294314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-83022508166088159802007-10-29T06:41:00.000+01:002007-10-29T06:41:00.000+01:00Here is the tiny URL to copy, paste into your brow...Here is the tiny URL to copy, paste into your browser. I guess my HTML skills are seriously lacking. :)<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2xylpoHarry Nadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001537458540294314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-40686413627400034182007-10-28T23:57:00.000+01:002007-10-28T23:57:00.000+01:00HN (aka "I hope you think your handle is funny b/c...HN (aka "I hope you think your handle is funny b/c to me it's a bit on the childish side"),<BR/><BR/>The link didn't work. Can you please try to repost it? Thanks!Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-63359668753162257462007-10-28T08:14:00.000+01:002007-10-28T08:14:00.000+01:00Rhology,Take a look at this recent blog post regar...Rhology,<BR/><BR/>Take a look at this recent blog post regarding morals <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2xylpo<br/>" REL="nofollow">here</A>Harry Nadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001537458540294314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-20884261982402270762007-10-26T19:49:00.000+02:002007-10-26T19:49:00.000+02:00Tommy,Almost the entirety of your comment has noth...Tommy,<BR/><BR/>Almost the entirety of your comment has nothing to do with my points at all. <BR/>A few things I'll respond to briefly:<BR/><BR/><I>That does not mean of course that moral teachings that are common to religions and cultures around the world are not a benefit.</I><BR/><BR/>A benefit to having an orderly society, sure. But I am asking, and have been asking, about the OUGHTNESS, Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-47316938750615516612007-10-26T19:31:00.001+02:002007-10-26T19:31:00.001+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-28463243156349855592007-10-26T19:31:00.000+02:002007-10-26T19:31:00.000+02:00Rhology gets it wrong once again, as usual.His exp...Rhology gets it wrong once again, as usual.<BR/><BR/>His expressed belief that Christianity is an objective standard for morality is itself a naked assertion. That does not mean of course that moral teachings that are common to religions and cultures around the world are not a benefit. Of course they. But when you make yourself believe that a particular book is the be all and end all of what Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-67980903820884576422007-10-26T16:50:00.000+02:002007-10-26T16:50:00.000+02:00Hi all,I'd like to direct readers to a brief and t...Hi all,<BR/><BR/>I'd like to direct readers to a brief and trenchant blogpost on the same topic <A HREF="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2007/10/deep-thoughts-by-john-loftus.html" REL="nofollow">over here</A>.<BR/><BR/>Hi Tommy,<BR/><BR/><I>Christianity is a personal preference for those who embrace it</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, I would never deny that. <BR/>But it's not MERELY that. It is underpinned by Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-85299009124030792432007-10-26T05:14:00.000+02:002007-10-26T05:14:00.000+02:00Christianity is a personal preference for those wh...Christianity is a personal preference for those who embrace it. That does not make it any more an objective standard of right and wrong than secular humanism. Of course, a Christian will believe that the Bible represents the one true objective moral system, just as a Muslim will believe that the Quran and the Hadith represent one true objective moral system.<BR/><BR/>The standard lazy argument Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-58746821836717407382007-10-25T20:39:00.000+02:002007-10-25T20:39:00.000+02:00CD,I'm sorry to say that you've mistaken my positi...CD,<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry to say that you've mistaken my position. That may be due to my own poor communication of it, so I apologise for that.<BR/><BR/>I'll try to boil it down to a couple of sentences as you did, which I think is useful.<BR/><BR/>For there to be objective morality there must be a god, ergo there if there is no god, there is no objective morality. (A bit tautological, really.)<BRRhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22339919.post-23592250922846583632007-10-25T10:50:00.000+02:002007-10-25T10:50:00.000+02:00Hi Jeff,I have absolutely no complaint against the...Hi Jeff,<BR/><BR/>I have absolutely no complaint against the use of analogies to describe something but you must concede that if all the descriptions of Hell are analogies they are analogies used to describe extremely severe suffering. So the descriptions of Hell being analogies does not actually change that they are still descriptions of extreme and infinite torture – whatever form that torture chooseDoubthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14892003265288803666noreply@blogger.com